New system build – Looking for input
January 23rd, 2020
Made my current XP system last 6 years so heck I got my moneys worth out of it and time to do it all over.
Downloading Windows 8 right now as I’m debating the OS before I buy
Win 8 or Win 7 and I like 7 so far but haven’t seen much of 8
Anyhow
Starting from the most important and working my way down, CPU
Originally I was looking at the 6 core i7, have a look here and expand the second one down, Intel Core i7 Processors:
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processor-comparison/compare-intel-processors.html?select=desktop
The first one 6 core but the thing is $570 With a clock speed of 3.2Ghz
i7-3930K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116492
So, Don�t think I�ll see that much less performance in a 4 core Clock speed of 3.5Ghz
Turbo burst to 3.9Ghz
And its 3rd generation Vs the 6 core which is second generation and only 3.8 Turbo Boost
The $330 price tag also helped
i7-3770K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501
No, me not an AMD kind of guy so sticking with Intel other then that what you guys think?
live near a Micro Center? You can get the 3770k for $220.
http://www.microcenter.com/product/388575/Core_i7_3770K_35GHz_LGA_1155_Processor
Make sure you get an SSD for your os and programs
Make sure you get an SSD for your os and programs
Exactly
I’ve done that so far (last week) in hopes it would speed up the system somewhat, but I guess XP has it’s limitations now so.
It did to an extent but not to my satisfaction. @
I see I can order it online?
Most of everything is coming from newegg so its being ordered anyhow, but to shave $100 off hey
Dam right I’ll order it there 
Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131818
Don’t need the eSATA now but I might somewhere down the road so, when I do I’ll have it plus the HDMI
What’s your budget (For the entire PC)?
What are you gonna be using it for?
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I see I can order it online?
You can’t. That item is in-store only!
Have you checked if you got a Microcenter branch in your area?
Click on “Store Locations” and see.
I see I can order it online?You can’t. That item is in-store only!
Have you checked if you got a Microcenter branch in your area?
Click on “Store Locations” and see.
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Motherboard
Way too overpriced! Spending $280 on a motherboard is just ridicules.
MotherboardWay too overpriced! Spending $280 on a motherboard is just ridicules.
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Don’t need the eSATA now but I might somewhere down the road so, when I do I’ll have it plus the HDMI
Two things:
1. eSATA never really took off, Not only most motherboards don’t have it, But most external HDDs don’t have it either! USB is far more popular, And slow file transfers are no longer an issue thanks to USB 3.0 (But clearly, You would need to actually have a USB3 external HDD to take advantage of it) 2. The motherboard’s HDMI port can only be used with integrated graphics. If your gonna be using a video card, It won’t be usable. However, All modern video cards have HDMI, So there’s really nothing special about it!
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Don’t need the eSATA now but I might somewhere down the road so, when I do I’ll have it plus the HDMITwo things:
1. eSATA never really took off, Not only most motherboards don’t have it, But most external HDDs don’t have it either! USB is far more popular, And slow file transfers are no longer an issue thanks to USB 3.0 (But clearly, You would need to actually have a USB3 external HDD to take advantage of it) 2. The motherboard’s HDMI port can only be used with integrated graphics. If your gonna be using a video card, It won’t be usable. However, All modern video cards have HDMI, So there’s really nothing special about it!
What's your budget (For the entire PC)?
What are you gonna be using it for?
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I see I can order it online?
You can’t. That item is in-store only!
Have you checked if you got a Microcenter branch in your area?
Click on “Store Locations” and see.
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Motherboard
Way too overpriced! Spending $280 on a motherboard is just ridicules.
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Don’t need the eSATA now but I might somewhere down the road so, when I do I’ll have it plus the HDMI
Two things:
1. eSATA never really took off, Not only most motherboards don’t have it, But most external HDDs don’t have it either! USB is far more popular, And slow file transfers are no longer an issue thanks to USB 3.0 (But clearly, You would need to actually have a USB3 external HDD to take advantage of it) 2. The motherboard’s HDMI port can only be used with integrated graphics. If your gonna be using a video card, It won’t be usable. However, All modern video cards have HDMI, So there’s really nothing special about it!
Good calls Roberto on the in store only and the motherboard. Don’t really have a budget yet as I’m just starting to put a list together and see what I come up with but was hoping under $1100
I have a good PSU 500 watt so won’t need that. DVD reader, burner all good for now till I upgrade the case which will be a couple months down the road along with widescreen monitor which I don’t have on the PC yet, LOL. So, CPU, motherboard and memory will be all I need right now to get started.
Looking at the next step down now for the motherboard which will shave $100 off there. What you think?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131820
Edit
Ok, so I’m down to memory and now I’m stuck For this Motherboard:
Memory Standard: DDR3 2600(O.C.)/2400(O.C.)/2200(O.C.)/2133(O.C.)/2000(O.C.)/1866(O.C.)/1800(O.C.)/1600/1333
But seems like everything is pointing toward the lowest or slowest speed wise the 1800 and 1600 I’m partial to Crucial when it comes to memory and even that is the best they offer. I can go to some of the other makes but boy gets expensive. Would the 1866 be good enough 8 Gig?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148560
And as for the CPU we’ll guess what just showed up?
$25 promotional gift card w/ purchase, ends 3/21
Once added to the cart:
Your Promotional Gift Card will be emailed 4 days after invoice.
So, guess I’ll be ordering some now, some later and don’t think I’ll be changing my mind on the CPU so might go ahead and order that today.
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You’ve answered my first question, But not the second.
So, How bout it then?
What are you gonna be using it for?
Just because you have $1100 to spare it doesn’t mean you have to spend all of it on upgrading your PC! It’s all a matter of needs. Maybe you don’t need something
overly expensive.
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I have a good PSU 500 watt so won’t need that.
Which PSU is it exactly? A cheap PSU is not the same as a quality one.
To be more specific, A cheap PSU can easily fry your other components if it fails!
A quality one however will never do that and will protect your other components in such a case.
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Looking at the next step down now for the motherboard which will shave $100 off there. What you think?
I think you could go with a cheaper one (Unless you need CF/SLI support)
I recommend this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157296
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I’m partial to Crucial when it comes to memory and even that is the best they offer. I can go to some of the other makes but boy gets expensive. Would the 1866 be good enough 8 Gig?
Crucial is not the only reputable memory brand. And for the record, DDR3 1600 is the current
standard. 1866 is only supported by overclocking and not as-is (So it’d just run at 1600)
but given the fact that the 1600 type is only a few dollars less, It’d still be an okay choice.
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And as for the CPU we’ll guess what just showed up?
Could you be more specific? Not sure which one your referring to.
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So, guess I’ll be ordering some now, some later and don’t think I’ll be changing my mind on the CPU so might go ahead and order that today.
I wouldn’t rush it if I were you. People who shoot first and think last quite often end
up making mistakes! Being impulsive when spending large amounts of money is never a good idea.
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Sorry I missed that second question.
First let say I like your thinking, rushing in though no I’ve been researching for about two weeks getting caught up on the technology as I was (still am A+ certified) and went on for my Microsoft certs on 2000 but that was a lifetime ago I was actually teaching the stuff at a college till 2009 but we all know what happened, but anyhow.
Going to be using for a back-up to my laptop; my laptop went on the fritz about a month back and I ended up using my PC and that’s when I noticed for sure some things just wasn’t going to do it anymore. Hey, it was built in 2006 so I got my use out of it and that’s the plan now, looking ahead and hoping to put something together to last the next 6 to 7 years.
I had to Google the CPU but at least it still shows up for you on newegg, discontinued of course but there:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817103940
As for the motherboard, much like the memory which I’m partial to Crucial I like Asus. I guess over the last 20 years I’ve found one company for each and I’ve stuck with. When I called Crucial over the SSD drive in the laptop several weeks back they were going to RMA the drive but it also had a firmware update and something called running “Garbage collection” which I did and between the two solved the issue.
Anyhow, looks like I’m good on the memory than, great. Wasn’t aware the 1600 was the current as what I found on the supported memory from the motherboards page made it look like all those other supported memory speeds were out.
CPU, the one I posted at the beginning:
https://safelinking.net/p/4bef36b8b5
I’ll wait to you post back one more time Rob but looks like I’m ready to order now, total is $572 so far but I still have a OS to order and I’m going to upgrade the case but this will get me started and I can do the rest down the road. I’m not sure what OS I want yet, Win 7 or Win 8 so I’m downloading 8 to see how it compares to 7 and I can use the $25 gift card to order that stuff with plus, I’m going to e-bay the old parts first. Thanks for the help by the way.
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Going to be using for a back-up to my laptop; my laptop went on the fritz about a month back and I ended up using my PC and that’s when I noticed for sure some things just wasn’t going to do it anymore.
Not the answer I was hoping for. I was asking for which purposes your gonna be using it for, Such as web surfing/watching movies/video encoding/gaming and such. Are you gonna be using the integrated graphics or do you have an existing video card that you plan on transferring? And if so, Is it a PCI-E (PCI-Express) one? Also, Just so you know, If you have any hard drive/dvd drive that uses an IDE connection, Your not gonna be able to use it! IDE has been completely phased out from modern motherboards, It’s only SATA now!
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As for the motherboard, much like the memory which I’m partial to Crucial I like Asus. I guess over the last 20 years I’ve found one company for each and I’ve stuck with.
I don’t see the logic behind that. You should go with whatever product that provides you the best value for your money, Brand regardless. Otherwise, Your just gonna be missing out on good deals!
Set that aside, ASrock is a very reputable company, It’s been around since 2002 and FYI, It was an originally an Asus subsidiary (But they’re independent now)
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looking ahead and hoping to put something together to last the next 6 to 7 years.
LOL, That’s way too optimistic!
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lbut I still have a OS to order
You’re aware that this is a forum and that you can get it for free, Right?
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and I’m going to upgrade the case
Unless you have a good reason to, I wouldn’t recommend it.
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I had to Google the CPU but at least it still shows up for you on newegg, discontinued of course but there:
PSU you mean, And it’s certainly a good one (For general use at least)
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Sounds like I’m ready to go order than Main purpose will not be used for much, browsing the web and Quicken to balance the checkbook but I never know what 6 or 7 years from now may hold so when I upgrade I buy what I can afford know what I mean?
Money’s not an issue anyhow
Yes, PCI-Express for a video card already as is in the current system so good there.
All hard drives are SATA and the OS will be on a SSD drive which is already in there to see if that would speed things up, I bought that two weeks back.
Yes, LOL as for the its downloading right now but would like a legit copy after I figure out which one I want. I have not played with 8 and I like 7 its on the laptop. I’m told 8 is more geared toward touch screen technology and looks more like a mac, any truth to that?
Yes, that’s the CPU currently in the system.
As for the case, just to downgrade or more less make room. The one I have has lasted since 2001 and is huge, I was setting up RAID arrays for school and stuff like that which I don’t need anymore.
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Sounds like I’m ready to go order than Main purpose will not be used for much, browsing the web and Quicken to balance the checkbook but I never know what 6 or 7 years from now may hold so when I upgrade I buy what I can afford know what I mean?
Not really, No!
I find your way of thinking quite odd to be honest. If I were to buy something, I would think whether it’d suit my needs now and that’s that.
Why fuss over the unknown future?
Besides, Technology always advances, So you could buy something much better later down the road anyhow! If you ask me, For your kinda uses, An i3 3220 would be better suited. You could also save up around $30 going with an H77/B75 based motherboard.
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Money’s not an issue anyhow
How bout value for money? Do you appreciate having it, Or you don’t even think about it?
Just because your rich it doesn’t mean you always have to buy the most expensive product available! It’s all about needs and uses. Being rich doesn’t justify wasting money for no good reason!
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I’m told 8 is more geared toward touch screen technology and looks more like a mac, any truth to that?
Yep. The Mac part is nonsense, But it’s indeed geared towards touch screens.
FYI, Microsoft has completely REMOVED the start menu from windows 8 and replaced it with a new, Crappy metro interface! You can still use a 3rd party app to have a start menu tho, Such as classic shell or startisback.
Answer #12
Ok for example when I built the 2006 system I didn’t have any SATA drives
All IDE which I know I would eventually get rid of and go SATA so I looked for a motherboard with enough SATA ports to upgrade with.
I have all SATA drives now.
Even the DVD Rom is SATA now
Like I said, rather then buy something better down the road like you suggest, I try to say hey what can I afford and get the best I can afford in hopes it will last till the next time and it seems to work
2001
2006
2013
Has been my upgrades.
I wish I was rich man, long from it Like I said, I have windows 8 downloading to use as a test for a month.
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Ok for example when I built the 2006 system I didn’t have any SATA drives
LOL!
Are you saying you had IDE drives from a previous computer or that you actually bought ones?
SATA has been in use since 2003 FYI! Set that aside, I don’t see how this is related.
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Like I said, rather then buy something better down the road like you suggest, I try to say hey what can I afford and get the best I can afford in hopes it will last till the next time and it seems to work
Your still not getting it. Even if you buy the top of the line now, It’d still be absolute in a few years time and will be replaced by something even better! So unless it’s actually needed, You’ll be throwing money away!
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I wish I was rich man, long from it
Okay, So maybe your not a millionaire. But if you have $1100 to spare, Your certainly wealthy.
Answer #14
$1100 was just my budget for this
I had IDE drives from the 2001 build that I kept when I built the 2006, since 2006 I gradually did away with the IDE’s and upgrades to the SATA drives.
Yea, I understand what your saying and if something comes along that requires a change I have to make I’ll look for a motherboard that has that change but uses the same CPU and be done. That make more sense?
Answer #15
More sense in compare to what exactly? Not entirely sure what you mean.
Anyways, I doubt any drastic new PC technology would come out anytime soon, And as I previously mentioned, It’s all about needs, Just because there’s something “new” out it doesn’t mean you have to get it. And there’s also the option of using expansion cards for certain things. Set that aside, Unless you can see the future and got a crystal ball – Just let it go!
Answer #16
I guess another thing I’m looking at Rob is cheap
I always go on the old saying “you only get what you pay for”.
Don’t want to get a year down the road and a motherboard that goes POOF because I bought cheap.
But I do see where your coming from, understand what your saying and yea, true I could always go with an expansion card too if needed.
You see anything else you’d recommend in a Asus board, I’d take a look?
Answer #17
Just because a product is cheap it doesn’t mean it’s of poor quality!
That’s just a common misconception. Each case to it’s own. Set that aside, I think the word “affordable”
fits better in this context. And let’s be honest, When it comes to electronics, The price
doesn’t guarantee longevity, Ever! Just because you buy an expensive computer part
it doesn’t mean it’d be everlasting! It’s all a matter of luck and you cannot possibly predict
how long it’d last. Most mobo’s come with a 3yr warranty FYI.
You see anything else you'd recommend in a Asus board, I'd take a look?
Is that a general question or are you asking for a specific asus mobo recommendation?
Answer #18
Yea, if you have any recommendations on Asus boards using the i7 LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core I’d be interested.
Just keep in mind the SATA’s I want more then enough and that one I picked out has 8.
Answer #19
Most Z77s have 6 SATAs, And why would you want more?
3 alone are good enough for an optical drive/hdd/ssd and you’ll have 3 spare+USBs (for externals)
Isn’t that enough?
Edit: The cheapest asus board with 8 SATAs will cost you $175:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131820
However, You can get an asrock one for $40 less! (and it has 8 of em too):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293
It also has better quality onboard audio.
Answer #20
I’m glad you got me looking, have a look or am I missing something?
As I’ve done posted the CPU is 3rd Generation:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501
Only Motherboard on newegg that supports a 3rd generation is:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131887&IsVirtualParent=1
That can’t be right; is it the way its worded?
Go here:
http://www.newegg.com/Intel-Motherboards/SubCategory/ID-280
Select CPU Socket Type: LGA 1155
CPU Type: 3rd/2nd-generation Core i3, i5, i7 (LGA1155)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627%20600093976%20600311015&IsNodeId=1&name=3rd%2f2nd-generation%20Core%20i3%2c%20i5%2c%20i7%20%28LGA1155%29
Answer #21
All B75 boards support 3rd gen ones as far as I know. And if in doubt, Each motherboard
manufacturer has a list of compatible CPUs on their website!
Anyways, If going with a B75 board, I suggest you do your research, Because there
are certainly differences (in compare to Z77) the most significant one being is that
it’s not meant for overclocking! Also, In case you didn’t know, The K in 3770K means
it has an unlocked multiplier (Good for overclocking) if your not gonna OC, You can get
the standard 3770 (non-K) for a cheaper price! It’s almost the same in terms of performance (Well, The non-K is 100mhz slower in stock, But it’s nothing significant!) I still maintain tho, For general use, The 3770 is an overkill and you could settle for a lot less.
Answer #22
All B75 boards support 3rd gen ones as far as I know. And if in doubt, Each motherboard
manufacturer has a list of compatible CPUs on their website!
Anyways, If going with a B75 board, I suggest you do your research, Because there
are certainly differences (in compare to Z77) the most significant one being is that
it's not meant for overclocking! Also, In case you didn't know, The K in 3770K means
it has an unlocked multiplier (Good for overclocking) if your not gonna OC, You can get
the standard 3770 (non-K) for a cheaper price! It's almost the same in terms of performance (Well, The non-K is 100mhz slower in stock, But it's nothing significant!) I still maintain tho, For general use, The 3770 is an overkill and you could settle for a lot less.
Thanks Rob
It’s listed
http://usa.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8Z77V/#CPUS
I’m going with the Z77
As for the CPU, no I didn’t know that’s what it stood for and with 3.5Ghz who needs to overclock. LOL
But I’d rather keep the 100mhz Thanks
Fixing to order I think
Answer #23
100mhz is nothing and they’re almost the same apart from that!
You could save $40 going with the regular 3770. But clearly, You don’t know the value of money so it’s not gonna happen. Not trying to be harsh, Just making an observation.
If you always buy the most expensive things you can find without caring for the costs, Don’t be
surprised if you end up broke one day!
Answer #24
100mhz is nothing and they're almost the same apart from that!
You could save $40 going with the regular 3770. But clearly, You don't know the value of money so it's not gonna happen. Not trying to be harsh, Just making an observation.
If you always buy the most expensive things you can find without caring for the costs, Don't be
surprised if you end up broke one day!
If it makes you feel better I wouldn’t pay for faster shipping and saved the $12 Super Eggsaver (4-7 Business Days)
Total came to $597
Swap out the old, in with the new, sell old on e-bay and use funds to buy the case and monitor with along with the $25 gift card
Answer #25
I’m just trying to teach you how to make smart financial decisions.
Money runs out quicker for people who buy stuff without caring for the costs or stuff
they don’t really need. Also, I haven’t mentioned it before, But in case you haven’t noticed, PS2 ports (round plugs for mouse/keyboard) have been partially phased out, And most motherboards (Including the one you selected) only have a single PS2 port! (This means that if both of your mouse/keyboard are PS2, Your gonna have to replace at least one of em for a USB one)
Answer #26
keep in mind a new Intel CPU is on the horizon
Haswell is the codename for a processor microarchitecture under development by Intel's Oregon team as the successor to the Ivy Bridge architecture. Using the 22 nm process, Intel is expected to release CPUs based on this microarchitecture around June 2, 2013 according to leaked roadmaps.
it has a new (different) socket and better grfx (if that matters)
have seen no reliable benchmarks on them yet
Answer #27
keep in mind a new Intel CPU is on the horizon
Haswell is the codename for a processor microarchitecture under development by Intel's Oregon team as the successor to the Ivy Bridge architecture. Using the 22 nm process, Intel is expected to release CPUs based on this microarchitecture around June 2, 2013 according to leaked roadmaps.
it has a new (different) socket and better grfx (if that matters)
have seen no reliable benchmarks on them yet
Didn’t know that but at the same time this would be top of the line and you’d pay an arm and a leg too.
I don’t mind an extra $100 now but this would be $500 more
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