Best System cleaner for windows
July 26th, 2016
CCleaner is probably about all you need..
There is a topic about it here..
http://www.google.com?t=21158922
I use R-Wipe & Clean and Registry First Aid mainly.
All these programs are selling a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist, Exploiting Consumer ignorance of computers to sell them something they dont need. Best case scenario it does nothing worst case it causes problems.
Is you’re computer slow ? Then address that problem instead of pricking around with this junk, get an SSD
i assume you are going to use it for cleaning junk files not performance tune up , slimcleaner and ccleaner are very good about it and both are free. on the other hand buying a ssd will eliminate most important aspect of system slow down which is fragmentation thats the part i agree with . so if you already have ssd , it is argueable to use any of those for tuneup since they will have almost 0 effect. on the other hand , if you have normal hdd , hdd defrag and registry defrag will give you a good but not best performance increase
All these programs are selling a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, Exploiting Consumer ignorance of computers to sell them something they dont need. Best case scenario it does nothing worst case it causes problems.
Is you're computer slow ? Then address that problem instead of pricking around with this junk, get an SSD
I beg to differ. I use R-Wipe & Clean every day and it gets rid of a lot of internet and temporary files every single day. I most certainly don’t want my HD building up an enormous amount of useless files and other unwanted junk so R-Wipe & Clean does a nice job for me. So, your ‘selling a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist’ is a load of twaddle as far as I’m concerned.
Everyone has different needs for their computers and to dismiss all possible useful tools is just total ignorance.
If the Microsoft operating system (whatever it might be) was perfect there would be no need for any 3rd party tools, but it isn’t it …. and that is clear to see by the number of updates they do every month, not all of which are security related.
‘Junk’ is the so called ‘expert’ who is no expert at all apart from in his/her own mind.
Hate to be a dick but its not rocket science to exclude temporary files in a system state backup hell most do this by default as this saves user activity and wasted cpu and disk cycles.
Windows may not be perfect but you can bet your ass if there were any truth to the claim that deleting supposedly unneeded registry keys did anything to improve the performance or security of windows Microsoft would have built it into System Center and charged 3000 quid a year for it.
Instead this is unheard of in business, because its because its a load of bollucks to milk gullible consumers
Hate to be a ~censored~ but its not rocket science to exclude temporary files in a system state backup hell most do this by default as this saves user activity and wasted cpu and disk cycles.
Windows may not be perfect but you can bet your ass if there were any truth to the claim that deleting supposedly unneeded registry keys did anything to improve the performance or security of windows Microsoft would have built it into System Center and charged 3000 quid a year for it.
Instead this is unheard of in business, because its because its a load of bollucks to milk gullible consumers
There are problems that have been occured due to the fact that there were multiple keys (duplicate, similar, wrong values, obsolete) etc. Also problems with guest accounts. Not PERFORMANCE problems, of course, just conflict ones. Could they be prevented / resolved by using these apps? I’m not the one to judge this and I certainly not claim to be an expert (I’m also 1000000% sure that you know way more on this than myself) but tracking these keys is definitely easier with a program like the ones mentioned. Also deleting temp files could help you get files indexed better and not have irrelevant files coming up to a local search, we all know where are those located for each program but it’s easier to just use a program that checks 20 well known folder locations at once. I admit I use ccleaner once every blue moon FOR A LITTLE MORE EASE OF USAGE and nothing more. I also totally agree that you cannot gain any performance boost by using those programs.
Hate to be a ~censored~ but its not rocket science to exclude temporary files in a system state backup hell most do this by default as this saves user activity and wasted cpu and disk cycles.
Windows may not be perfect but you can bet your ass if there were any truth to the claim that deleting supposedly unneeded registry keys did anything to improve the performance or security of windows Microsoft would have built it into System Center and charged 3000 quid a year for it.
Instead this is unheard of in business, because its because its a load of bollucks to milk gullible consumersThere are problems that have been occured due to the fact that there were multiple keys (duplicate, similar, wrong values, obsolete) etc. Also problems with guest accounts. Not PERFORMANCE problems, of course, just conflict ones. Could they be prevented / resolved by using these apps? I’m not the one to judge this and I certainly not claim to be an expert (I’m also 1000000% sure that you know way more on this than myself) but tracking these keys is definitely easier with a program like the ones mentioned. Also deleting temp files could help you get files indexed better and not have irrelevant files coming up to a local search, we all know where are those located for each program but it’s easier to just use a program that checks 20 well known folder locations at once. I admit I use ccleaner once every blue moon FOR A LITTLE MORE EASE OF USAGE and nothing more. I also totally agree that you cannot gain any performance boost by using those programs.
There was another similar topic and the person who asks for help was using standard hdd as far as i can remember. at that point i gave suggestions that are very aggressively objected by . i didnt argue due to respect to his vip status and the badge he has as microsoft professional. i wont do it either now. i occasionally see system cleaner topics on helpdesk and people who some are my friends , give not necessarily wrong and misleading information.
Currently ssd almost completely eliminates those performance issues , but some people who ask for it still using standard hdd so they will have performance issues over the time. lets start with most arguable topic registry cleaners , in old win systems for example win 95-98 , it had significant effect on performance if it gets bloated but due to improvements through years , the performance issues due to bloating almost eliminated but still the unnecessary registry keys related to system core functions , more specifically related to ker , slow downs system. firewall rules and such if an example need to given. at that point we can argue if it is necessary to clean them or not , since unused registry entries can not be eliminated totally by any means. my personal thought on it , you dont need to touch them if you have a new modern system and ssd. but still there are people using xp , and normal hdd , in their conditions the topic is arguable. secondly registry fragmentation , this is a thing that can slow down your system from just a little to a significant level. ofc over the years window’s systems get improved and among all other things, the effect of registry fragmentation on system performance decreased. we can still argue if it is necessary or not necessary , think this effect serious or not but we cant ignore and mislead people by saying registry fragmentation have 0 effect on system cuz it does . by looking 10 secs i just found this on wiki , it just saved me from making explanation which people may not believe.
“defragmenting the underlying registry files (e.g. using the free Microsoft-supported PageDefrag tool), rather than attempting to clean the Registry’s contents, has a measureable benefit and has therefore been recommended in the past by experts such as Mark Russinovich. (A form of defragmentation capability is built directly into Windows since Vista.)
so as i bet Mark Russinovich knows about this more than any of us here , we have no choice but to listen him.
lastly disk fragmentation , still not many people using ssd or cant afford it , at that point i believe no one here will argue about benefits of disk defrag tools. windows built in one would also help but it is very slow compared to others and have less advanced features. windows tries to lessen fragmentation , by having a task to run defrag tool when pc is idle. it is better to use advanced defrag softwares which can also carry system files at the beginning of the disk so it increase the performance of boot time , windows navigation and such. ofc with ssd this is totally unnecessary since it can reach every cluster of drive at the same time like a spider web. old hdd must needed to do it in order.
lastly benefit of good junk file cleaners is also thing to be considered seriously , there are dozens of people who are middle aged and older and met computer not at young ages , so they neither eager to learn or needed to learn advanced level knowledge about file locations . they just want to clean them somehow. ofc it does not effect performance unless those crap almost filled your hdd or ssd then u will have significant performance decrease. there is another aspect of this except occupying unnecessary space it shorten the life of the drive also cause time loss while doing tasks such av scan. windows recently added the option to clean unnecessary windows update files , even if it is enough when you see there are still thousands of files left behind when you scan it with an advanced cleaner. those files directly or indirectly effects performance , like the example anti virus software i have given before.
i totally agree there are many tune up software which cause more problem then its benefit , and also give you adware and crapware if you are not careful. i also agree , you need to use carefully some functions or end up messing things . i also agree benefits of those can be argued , depending of situations , softwares and hardware. but there is 1 thing i dont agree which is saying “these are totally useless and have 0 benefit” in a short way. it is not necessarily wrong depending on conditions but misleading as a perspective of knowledge.
Hate to be a ~censored~ but its not rocket science to exclude temporary files in a system state backup hell most do this by default as this saves user activity and wasted cpu and disk cycles.
Windows may not be perfect but you can bet your ass if there were any truth to the claim that deleting supposedly unneeded registry keys did anything to improve the performance or security of windows Microsoft would have built it into System Center and charged 3000 quid a year for it.
Instead this is unheard of in business, because its because its a load of bollucks to milk gullible consumersBusiness and the user at home using just one computer are two totally different things and I’d suggest the majority of users on this forum are the latter. Most business’s generally use networking to some degree which the home user does not with his/her single computer and most business’s use software which in one way or another is customized to their business using either in-house or outside software experts. Most of the tools we are talking about here are for the single user with no great knowledge of computers and to them these tools, even if they do nothing as you claim, give them the feeling they are keeping their computer in top form and who the hell are you to tell people they shouldn’t use them if it makes them feel good. For me, R-Wipe & Clean cleans out stuff I know nothing about, I’m just happy it provides a means for me to do so (and it’s not just about temporary files – cached certification files amongst others for example)
So these tools are no more of a con on the public than the amount of money software companies charge business for customized software or IT so called expertise (especially when it doesn’t work)
Well registry defrag and fs defrag are built into windows so thats another supposed benifit debunked, tempory internet files are also automaticly cleaned.
Feel free to use these programs if you wish im not forceing anyone not to but if you post a supposed benifit and its bogus ive got to point it out.
CCleaner is good too.