Received a speeding ticket VIA radar camera [Canada]
November 27th, 2013
I know this is unusual to post, however, my sister was driving my car at 100km/h in a 70 km/h speed zone and she claims that she didn’t know the speed limited was 70! Thus, is there anything we can do to not pay this ticket?
Also, if the first problem is resolved… I know they keep history of tickets and this is my new car. Any LEGAL way of taking out the history other than hacking or reversing via mutual?
Keep it simple pay for the speeding ticket
If u don’t they will maybe increase more money and keep sending u letters.
They got ur car on cam for proof and it doesn’t matter who was driving. It’s ur car
Btw how much is the ticket
Ignorance is no excuse.
Don’t even worry about the points they’ll put on her license, assuming you can prove it was her and you weren’t in drag as that would seriously hurt your defense.
They don’t keep track of tickets by the VIN, so don’t worry about it.
Howeveeeer, and it is a big however, most of those cameras are 3rd party-ran, meaning not related to the law enforcement. The question you should ask yourself is “should or shouldn’t I pay this bill.”? Rip it up and say you never received it in the mail.
Guys, you miss understood my question. I will reformulate through this post.
I am trying to figure a way, NOT to pay this ticket. If it was reasonable price I would. The price is high and I am not willing to pay whether or not if I’m wealthy. I know few tricks with the government that can lose track of the ticket when stopped by an uniform (cop). This time, it was taken by a camera.
Did the ticket come in the mail? If so, then you never received and you have no idea what they are talking about when they ask you.
Also, some of these cameras are 3rd party companies who do business with the city or whatever municipality you reside in. In some cases, not all, that means you are not obligated to have to pay a 3rd party. Meaning you don’t have to pay. CALL UP A LAWYER in your town or wherever you (she or whoever) got caught speeding and ask him if the 3rd party company has any actually jurisdiction or the ability to write tickets.
If you want to avoid things like this in the future and you don’t want to stop your wreckless driving habits, which is probably the smartest thing to do, would be to invest in a radar detector. Who cares if they’re illegal in your area. Just mount it in the bumper of your car and have the indicators show up on the gauge cluster on the dash.
You can also get things that will block your license plate. That will be able to detect any older school (non US military) radar detection machines. And no, it’s not one those plastic covers that Mythbusters busted, instead they make devices that flip down the plate with a switch, highly illegal though and the fines are probably much higher than just speeding and you will possibly go to jail.
Instead get a legal device that is viewed from eye level but not from a higher distance (where the radar camera is). They make stuff that is clear plastic with the longest piece protruding at the top of the plate and progressively getting smaller to the bottom of the plate (think of of an upside staircase) Google “loover” for more info.
Mikeez replied: I am trying to figure a way, NOT to pay this ticket.
Probably have to fight in in court if your legal system resembles ours in any way.
There should be a date to appear in front of the judge where you can make your plea.
Bob Newhart replied: Kind of hard to dispute that though. Unless you have a degree in physics and the gift of gab, you're going to have a tough time convincing the judge.
Hard to dispute any ticket. They set the system up because it works.
If there were tons of easily disputable loopholes out there, everyone would be using them.
I grew up in a small town, I got 2 tickets thrown out because I request trial by jury every time. Takes the city time and money to set up your trial, select a jury, and reschedule your court date. Worst case scenario, you at least made them work for the money.
However, now that I am older and don’t have time to go to multiple court dates, I just pay the ticket by mail and be done with it.
Life is too short.
LedAstray replied: Or if you have connections in the police dept. or with the local politicians, you can get the ticket fixed and pay nothing.
This is the best way. When I was in HS, my friends mom was a secretary for the court house. Part of her job was going through all the tickets turned in by the officers, and entering their court dates in.
Lets just say she would accidentally lose a few tickets.
SmAsHeDr replied: Kind of hard to dispute that though. Unless you have a degree in physics and the gift of gab, you’re going to have a tough time convincing the judge.Mikeez replied: I am trying to figure a way, NOT to pay this ticket.
Probably have to fight in in court if your legal system resembles ours in any way.
There should be a date to appear in front of the judge where you can make your plea.
Scratch that… ask the prosecution for the blueprints to the radar camera so you can be assured it is calibrated properly. If they don’t reveal their proprietary schematics, then ask the judge for a mistrial. If that doesn’t work, you will have at least struck some doubt into the minds of the jurors (assuming they’re there when you say that).
I don’t know about Canada but here in the U.S. you’d be better off taking the traffic school option. You pay for and take a 4 hour course on the internet, bring proof of completion to the clerk of court, adjudication is witheld (which means you’re not guilty of speeding), the fine is reduced, no points are put on your license and your auto insurance premum will not go up.
Otherwise, the only good defenses to the ticket are that the radar camera was faulty, or it was obstructed, or it picked up a another car instead of yours, or that someone else was driving the car. Fighting it in traffic court will take more time and money than it’s worth.
Or if you have connections in the police dept. or with the local politicians, you can get the ticket fixed and pay nothing.
SmAsHeDr replied:
Bob Newhart replied: Kind of hard to dispute that though. Unless you have a degree in physics and the gift of gab, you're going to have a tough time convincing the judge.
Hard to dispute any ticket. They set the system up because it works.
If there were tons of easily disputable loopholes out there, everyone would be using them.
I grew up in a small town, I got 2 tickets thrown out because I request trial by jury every time. Takes the city time and money to set up your trial, select a jury, and reschedule your court date. Worst case scenario, you at least made them work for the money.
However, now that I am older and don't have time to go to multiple court dates, I just pay the ticket by mail and be done with it.
Life is too short.
When was the last time the radar gun was calibrated? Does it have any microchips that have, at even one time, been known to fail or give inaccurate readings? If you can say that it has been calibrated and are willing to give the schematics of the radar gun (a company the government unlikely owns and wouldn’t be to quick to give away their trade secrets away) to test the same gun used by the officer and an independent 3rd party confirms that it is in error-tolerance range that is acceptable to the most skeptical expert that it is in proper working condition, then there isn’t a loophole. And that’s just on the radar gun. Newer radar cameras are being implemented that can catch 4 or 5 lanes of rush-hour continuously, giving high-detailed photos of the driver, the license plate and the speed they were traveling at. Same story, different machine.
A physics student, an undergrad at that, went to court, defending himself (don’t do this) and ‘proved’ to the judge that the angle of the radar gun and his car was at such a long distance that the curvature of the earth or some other thing caused the radar to not properly return the correct speed of his vehicle. This guy had charts, citations from optic books and even a Prof that testified (in traffic court…) that what the student was saying was indeed plausible. Well, Yada, yada, yada…the judge dismissed the case on the grounds that there wasn’t sufficient evidence to say with complete accuracy that he was speeding.
If you do go the court route without knowing physics’ technical jargon down pat and have graphs and expert witnesses, your best bet to win (apart from your idea of them cancelling due to costs, which in this economy, is probably not such a bad idea) is to hope that the officer that wrote the ticket doesn’t show up to court that day. It’s happened before and the judge didn’t even call the guy to the stand.
But like I suggested before, either get a radar detector, don’t get caught, or just quit driving recklessly.
By the way, I’m talking from a US courts perspective. I’m pretty sure it’s a similar system though.
U got a few tricks with government huh ? Lol
Like I said keep it simple and pay the ticket
Canada has the same legal system as the UK I think ?
So it would just go in front of a Magistrate, not a Crown Court Judge and a jury.
Google for disputed cases with radar guns – I have seen a few people get off from them, eg as someone mentioned above, when was the last time it was calibrated etc.
How fast over the limit was it ? Here in the UK you are allowed 10% before being given a ticket due to innacuracies of speedometers. umm, just noticed she was 30kph over the limit – the only defence would be the radar gun or operator was ineffective. (maybe the weather on that day could have affected the results, ask for copies previous successful appeals against that particular one involved etc)
*Edit – I forgot to ask, has she got previous speeding offences, Magistrates will take that into account even though they shouldn’t. Also, you are fighting a losing battle from the start in a Magistrates Court, unless it’s a District Judge (Stipendiary Magistrate) who knows the law, and not 3 jumped up shopkeepers.
@ Mikeez
So what are you gonna do babe? Go with the traffic school, fight it in traffic court or get the ticket fixed?
I work in a Private Security Agency that is not governmental recognized and the refused to reverse the ticket. So, for the part of knowing a ‘cop’ or whatever you want to call these idiots, it won’t be possible in my case.
One thing I’ve learned in what you guys posted is that some of you live in a small town. I live in Montreal City, which is a busy city with a very reviewed system. Though it has a lot of corrupted holes in the system that I managed to exploit, it won’t help me either with the ticket.
If I were a cop, I give you a ticket of 270$ for speeding 30km/h extra… would you pay it directly? Most people will say yes, but wouldn’t feel like paying. I am one of these person, though, I don’t mind paying 1 000$. I mind paying 1$ more to the government. I am anti-government and anything that has to do with these ~censored~, I won’t comply. Thus, the reason I am not willing to pay this ticket, is because this is going to cops pocket or government.
I know that if we contest the ticket, there is a 100$ fee for setting up the trial and such, which will be beneficial for them. If you have any solution to NOT pay the ticket, please Private Message me and keep it simple (short and sweet to read).
Mikeez replied: One thing I've learned in what you guys posted is that some of you live in a small town.
I don’t, I live in London UK, which is probably more congested than Montreal.
They use radar cameras (gatso’s) here with ANPR, but as everyone knows where they are you just slow down or get out of the bus lane.
Did you bother Googling to see if you can find any precedents for people getting off, or you too busy trying to bribe someone
(*edited typo)
I’m just going to reverse the ticket illegally, though the process takes time, but it’s worthily. No, I haven’t gilly! Thanks for all your help guys.
Bloody speeding cameras got me a six month ban here in the UK after I amassed more than 12 points! Mechanical money makers they are!
Get yourself a tin of black paint. Go back to the nearest speed sign to where the incident happened. Paint over the sign and take a photo. Then send the photo in and tell ’em someone vandalised the sign and you didn’t notice the speed limit.
Saturnsid, this is the best idea ever. I will so do this!