Some people claim 320kbps but it’s not?
August 8th, 2016
But they’re actually all over the place like 289 and 226 kbps? Is this normal?
Thanks for your reply.
Read the replies first next time…?
They were clearly mislabeled unless noted otherwise
but don’t worry about it,What your refering to
is called VBR (Variable Bitrate) and it’s pretty
much a standard on the scene,Nearly all groups use it.
It’s more efficient on space as well as quality,CBR is oldschool.
Read the replies first next time...?
I did, but the unpopular and dead threads that I looked through only had replies of “Thanks” or no replies at all.
Vbr at lower kbps is almost the some quality as some higher cbr.
It Must Be VBR….
Variable Bit Rate !
VBR V0 is and CBR 320 kbps are the same quality, but 320 kbps is more heavy.
Doesn’t matter if it’s V0 VBR or CBR if the poster has labeled it as something which it’s not. You should report him.
They were clearly mislabeled unless noted otherwise
but don't worry about it,What your refering to
is called VBR (Variable Bitrate) and it's pretty
much a standard on the scene,Nearly all groups use it.
It's more efficient on space as well as quality,CBR is oldschool.
@ Bold.
Efficient on space, I agree, but quality? Surely a 320kbps is better then 229kbps? Or is the encoder different? What’s CBR?
Overall, if I have lots of free space is it better to get 320kbps? It looks nicer than jumbled up bit rates.
This happens more then you think.. Like dream said report
They were clearly mislabeled unless noted otherwise
but don't worry about it,What your refering to
is called VBR (Variable Bitrate) and it's pretty
much a standard on the scene,Nearly all groups use it.
It's more efficient on space as well as quality,CBR is oldschool.
@ Bold.
Efficient on space, I agree, but quality? Surely a 320kbps is better then 229kbps? Or is the encoder different? What's CBR?
Overall, if I have lots of free space is it better to get 320kbps? It looks nicer than jumbled up bit rates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_bitrate
Efficient on space, I agree, but quality? Surely a 320kbps is better then 229kbps? Or is the encoder different? What's CBR?
CBR refers to constant bit rate (128/160/192/224/256/320) VBR Vs CBR - encoding acronyms explained
Constant Bit Rate (CBR) encoding means that you encode a file at a fixed rate, such as 128 Kpbs. For many people this is a common method of encoding MP3s. You can usually tell CBR files because they have consistent file sizes and sound quality. OK, file sizes aren't the kind of thing most of you will look out for. We know that.
Variable Bit Rate (VBR) encoding is a method that ensures high audio quality bit-allocation decisions during encoding. The encoder allocates an appropriate amount of data per second, depending on the complexity of the audio file.
If there are very complex parts in a song it will use a quite high bit rate and a lower bitrate for something such as silence. The average bit rate may not be as high as the bitrate of an MP3 of the same quality with constant bitrate.
You should use VBR encoding when consistent audio quality is the top priority.
VBR is clearly better,But hey if you wanna live in the past and stick
with CBR it’s up to you.
Efficient on space, I agree, but quality? Surely a 320kbps is better then 229kbps? Or is the encoder different? What's CBR?
CBR refers to constant bit rate (128/160/192/224/256/320) VBR Vs CBR - encoding acronyms explained
Constant Bit Rate (CBR) encoding means that you encode a file at a fixed rate, such as 128 Kpbs. For many people this is a common method of encoding MP3s. You can usually tell CBR files because they have consistent file sizes and sound quality. OK, file sizes aren't the kind of thing most of you will look out for. We know that.
Variable Bit Rate (VBR) encoding is a method that ensures high audio quality bit-allocation decisions during encoding. The encoder allocates an appropriate amount of data per second, depending on the complexity of the audio file.
If there are very complex parts in a song it will use a quite high bit rate and a lower bitrate for something such as silence. The average bit rate may not be as high as the bitrate of an MP3 of the same quality with constant bitrate.
You should use VBR encoding when consistent audio quality is the top priority.
VBR is clearly better,But hey if you wanna live in the past and stick
with CBR it's up to you.
What do you get when you download songs from iTunes? CBR or VBR?
Some music albums I've downloaded were "320kbps" according to the uploader.
But they're actually all over the place like 289 and 226 kbps? Is this normal?
Thanks for your reply.
Like said read replies first… then download, or just report and say that it’s showing 320 but it’s not… problem solved!
Oh, BTW I bet that you don’t know a difference between 320 and 289 kbps!
For what it’s worth, most of the 320 uploads here are just transcoded from lower bitrates.
If you really wanted quality, go for FLAC or similar releases.
Some music albums I've downloaded were "320kbps" according to the uploader.
But they're actually all over the place like 289 and 226 kbps? Is this normal?
Thanks for your reply.
Like said read replies first... then download, or just report and say that it's showing 320 but it's not... problem solved!
Oh, BTW I bet that you don't know a difference between 320 and 289 kbps!
320kbps is CBR, Constant Bit Rate and 289kbps and other messy numbers are encoded by VBR, Variable Bit Rate.
I still need to know which is better and easier and why…because I don’t want to do injustice to my collection.
For what it's worth, most of the 320 uploads here are just transcoded from lower bitrates.
-Sorry for double post, I don’t know how to multiquote-
Are they 320kbps if they are CD rips?
I think they’re CD rips because all the naming is correct and neat with the tracks in order with album art too.
Are they 320kbps if they are CD rips?
There’s no correlation between the bitrate
to the source,The bitrate is user selectable! It can be from a CD or a re-encode
from another release or even a youtube rip,You have no way of knowing
unless it’s an official release by a particular group,That adds
more reliability to it being real,The quality stays same
when re-encoding,Just so you know,It’s pointless
to re-encode but some people still do it.
I think they're CD rips because all the naming is correct and neat with the tracks in order with album art too.
It doesn’t mean anything really,The track listing can easily
be obtained online or from an already existing release,Same goes
for covers,There’s also sites for cd covers and track names
can be edited.
I still need to know which is better and easier and why...because I don't want to do injustice to my collection.
Those questions were already answered,But if your skeptical
i suggest you do your own comparison between 320 to VBR,The vast majority of VBR albums around are encoded by LAME 3.97
with the V2 –vbr-new preset,You can easily see that by using an app
called MrQuestionMan:
http://www.burrrn.net/?page_id=5
You could use Easy CD-DA Extractor to RIP a track from an original CD to both 320kbps & VBR V2
and compare,It uses a little newer version of LAME (3.98.2)
but i don’t think that should make much of a difference,Anyways
get it here:
http://www.google.com?p=39575570#39575570
If you wanna test it with with LAME 3.97,You’ll have to rip it to wave,44khz,16bit stereo and convert it it manually,Just find 3.97 via google.
If you’re truly concerned about quality, you probably shouldn’t download music from here. Lots and lots of transcodes. Join a private music tracker instead where you be sure you’re getting proper rips.
the mp3 scene rules should answer all of ur questions mate
http://~ Dead file host ~/files/428490395/Official_MP3_Release_Rules_2.0-2009-MP3COUNCIL.rar
see:
mp3rules2.0_with_notes.html
11.1
to check official crew releases visit this page:
http://sceneforce.com/search/
and look for *WEB* in the releasenames, this is 320kbps 100%
if you found what you were looking for just copy/paste the releasename in google and you will find a minimum of 3 ddls on the 1st page
cheers
the mp3 scene rules should answer all of ur questions mateHow are iTunes music encoded?
http://~ Dead file host ~/files/428490395/Official_MP3_Release_Rules_2.0-2009-MP3COUNCIL.rar
see:
mp3rules2.0_with_notes.html
11.1
to check official crew releases visit this page:
http://sceneforce.com/search/
and look for *WEB* in the releasenames, this is 320kbps 100%
if you found what you were looking for just copy/paste the releasename in google and you will find a minimum of 3 ddls on the 1st page
cheers
the mp3 scene rules should answer all of ur questions mateHow are iTunes music encoded?
http://~ Dead file host ~/files/428490395/Official_MP3_Release_Rules_2.0-2009-MP3COUNCIL.rar
see:
mp3rules2.0_with_notes.html
11.1
to check official crew releases visit this page:
http://sceneforce.com/search/
and look for *WEB* in the releasenames, this is 320kbps 100%
if you found what you were looking for just copy/paste the releasename in google and you will find a minimum of 3 ddls on the 1st page
cheers
Hey dude…From a sound engineer…>>>
Obviously music in digital form is at its best on a lossless codec…flac/ape/apple
As to mp3…for best music quality…320 CBR (44hz) is top of the pile…everything less is for file size…like stated before most peoples ears can not tell the difference or aware what has been taken out of the lower rate or VBR…
As MP3 is a compression agent…something has to be removed from the original copy…the less the bitrate the more that has to be taken out of the original… thus CBR is always better the VBR
On a further note raised earlier… unfortunately there is a lot of re-coded 320’s appearing here…but if its not what is stated in post/title…then report it and make a comment in the post to ensure other member are aware…!!!
Stick with the rippers i say…>>>
For what it's worth, most of the 320 uploads here are just transcoded from lower bitrates.
Says who ?. Which lame ~ censored ~ would sit an manually transcode his uploads I would jump to lossless but file sizes are just 2 big to manage weather or not space and storage is an issue I think 320 is better cause you’ve got both CBR & VBR
Hey dude...From a sound engineer...>>>
Obviously music in digital form is at its best on a lossless codec...flac/ape/apple
As to mp3...for best music quality...320 CBR (44hz) is top of the pile...everything less is for file size...like stated before most peoples ears can not tell the difference or aware what has been taken out of the lower rate or VBR...
As MP3 is a compression agent...something has to be removed from the original copy...the less the bitrate the more that has to be taken out of the original... thus CBR is always better the VBR
Stick with the rippers i say...>>>
Wow a sound engineer ^_^
So MP3 at best quality is 320 CBR encoding. What about VBR that all the other people on the 1st page of the topic said? From your response, since something is taken out of the original; CBR is better than VBR. What format are audio CDs like the ones you can buy at the shops? How should I burn my MP3s in high quality to audio CDs that can be played in older cars? I assume I will be using Nero.
What rippers are good?
For what it's worth, most of the 320 uploads here are just transcoded from lower bitrates.
Says who ?. Which lame ~censored~ would sit an manually transcode his uploads I would jump to lossless but file sizes are just 2 big to manage weather or not space and storage is an issue
Usually idiots who think transcoding stuff makes it better quality.
I think 320 is better cause you've got both CBR & VBR
There is no discernible difference between V0 and 320. If you’re really concerned about absolute perfection and filespace is not an issue, you should be getting FLAC.
CBR is a waste of space. V0 is very nearly the same quality in a much smaller file. in fact, V2 is not so far off, and in a blind test, most people can’t tell the difference.
CBR is a waste of space. V0 is very nearly the same quality in a much smaller file. in fact, V2 is not so far off, and in a blind test, most people can't tell the difference.What program can tell me if my file is V0?
I have MediaInfo, will this do the job?
not sure about mediainfo. i use foobar, and it shows bitrates if you set it up right…
but there’s a problem – a file can show V0 or 320 or whatever else, but it might not actually be that bitrate. it might have been transcoded from a lower bitrate. so in truth, the only way to determine the actual bitrate is by doing a spectral analysis in an app like Adobe Audition.
http://blowfish.be/eac/Spectral/spectral.html
not sure about mediainfo. i use foobar, and it shows bitrates if you set it up right...With Adobe Audtion will I be able to see if my 320s are 224VBR transcodes. I have 2 files that are the same but one is 320kbps and the other is 224kbps and they’re from 2 different sources.
but there's a problem - a file can show V0 or 320 or whatever else, but it might not actually be that bitrate. it might have been transcoded from a lower bitrate. so in truth, the only way to determine the actual bitrate is by doing a spectral analysis in an app like Adobe Audition.
http://blowfish.be/eac/Spectral/spectral.html
VBR is great, some times even better than 320Kbp/s. Anyways, you should report it, so next time he’d put the right tag.
With Adobe Audtion will I be able to see if my 320s are 224VBR transcodes.
Nope. The only way you could tell them apart via Adobe Audition is if you compare a proper 320KBps rip with a transcoded one
With Adobe Audtion will I be able to see if my 320s are 224VBR transcodes. Nope. The only way you could tell them apart via Adobe Audition is if you compare a proper 320KBps rip with a transcoded oneOk, I just downloaded the file from another source and it is 224kbps. So now I have a 320kbps and 224kbps. Now can I use Adobe Audition to see if they’re the same? Can audition tell me the encoder?
Its a minfield….there are so many variables that would effect every different rip…different ripping encoders….was it converted from a .wav file or a lossless or straight rip to mp3 ect… where was the master copy you are using as a master to make a start point from…ect
quality of your sound card also comes into it… file size can be a good indicator…though not fool proof
anything other than 64, 128, 192, 256, 320 are VBR.
they are better than 320 CBR imo. also. they save up you HDD storage.
Its a minfield....there are so many variables that would effect every different rip...different ripping encoders....was it converted from a .wav file or a lossless or straight rip to mp3 ect... where was the master copy you are using as a master to make a start point from...ect
quality of your sound card also comes into it... file size can be a good indicator...though not fool proofA minefield? 100% agreed.
Personally, for MP3s, for anything under 320, VBR is perfectly acceptable. 320 will always be the best quality though. If someone says VBR is 320 there probably won’t be THAT much difference, however it’s probably worth leaving a reply just to make people aware.
Personally, for MP3s, for anything under 320, VBR is perfectly acceptable. 320 will always be the best quality though. If someone says VBR is 320 there probably won't be THAT much difference, however it's probably worth leaving a reply just to make people aware.What about 160? I had an album with all the songs being 160kbps and another album being all 224kbps? What’s this? It’s constant but not CBR I think.iTunes should tell you whether it’s VBR or CBR.