PC Hard Drive
May 29th, 2014
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/60GB-OCZ-VERTEX-PLUS-SOLID-STATE-DRIVE-SATA-SSD-HDD-/190573314865?pt=UK_Computing_HardDrives_RL&hash=item2c5f0e0331
But what’s the difference between that SSD and the £100+ 60GB SSD?
Most probably the read/write speeds are higher on the more expensive one, and it could also be SATA 3
I checked with the other ones and it has 6MB write speed and SATA 3
A few people I know who are waiting for the price of the larger capacity SSD’s to drop before they buy them have bought hybrid drives, Seagate MomentusXT about £85 for 500gb 2.5″.
Certainly not as fast as a true SSD, but better performance than a Velociraptor.
eg.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-Momentus-ST95005620AS-7200rpm-Internal/dp/B003V6AIWU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1316892348&sr=8-1
i would avoid all ocz ssd’s in favor of crucial m4 drives.
So Hybrid drives is under SSD but still good, and is there a 2TB SATA 3 HDD? If so is it faster than a 2TB SATA HDD?
AS011 replied: So Hybrid drives is under SSD but still good, and is there a 2TB SATA 3 HDD? If so is it faster than a 2TB SATA HDD?
yup, I have a couple of these Hitachi Deskstar drives, but they are 3.5 inch 5900 rpm used for storage.
Just posting as an example, I didn’t buy from here.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HITACHI-DESKSTAR-2TB-3-5-SATA-6GB-s-PC-HARD-DRIVE-/270739787612?pt=UK_Computing_HardDrives_RL&hash=item3f09594f5c
You will need a SATA 3 controller for it to work at SATA 3, although it is backwards compatible.
*EDIT – sorry got double post with 502 error
gilly replied:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HITACHI-DESKSTAR-2TB-3-5-SATA-6GB-s-PC-HARD-DRIVE-/270739787612?pt=UK_Computing_HardDrives_RL&hash=item3f09594f5c
You will need a SATA 3 controller for it to work at SATA 3, although it is backwards compatible.
You wont need sata 3 anything for that drive. The sata 3 thing is just a marketing gimmick and will give you 0 speed boost.
It’s not even going to come anywhere close to sata 2 speeds so any extra bandwidth offered by sata 3 is not used.
I wouldn’t go near any Hitachi Deathstar drives because they are too unreliable, which they inherited from IBM. I had one fail after less than 18 months. I have a Seagate drive still working after 7 years and it’s used on a daily basis.
The latest OCZ SSD’s the v3 line have had lots of problems including BSOD’s for many people. I am not aware whether they have been fixed by firmware updates therefore be aware of it.
jock_juffalo replied:
You wont need sata 3 anything for that drive. The sata 3 thing is just a marketing gimmick and will give you 0 speed boost.
It's not even going to come anywhere close to sata 2 speeds so any extra bandwidth offered by sata 3 is not used.
I was just saying that you can get SATA 3 2TB drives, as the OP asked, and that I had 2 of those. I don’t remember saying that they were the best SATA 3 drives. I just happen to use them because I got them extremely cheap and had 2 spare SATA 3 connections
Mighty_Marvel replied: I wouldn't go near any Hitachi Deathstar drives because they are too unreliable, which they inherited from IBM. I had one fail after less than 18 months. I have a Seagate drive still working after 7 years and it's used on a daily basis.
Have you ever Googled “Seagate click” ?
lolz – I have some Seagate drives and they are fine too. I still have some Maxtor drives that have been going 10 years (obviously not continuously).
jock_juffalo replied: You wont need sata 3 anything for that drive. The sata 3 thing is just a marketing gimmick and will give you 0 speed boost.
It's not even going to come anywhere close to sata 2 speeds so any extra bandwidth offered by sata 3 is not used.
So SATA 2 and SATA 3 is the same speed?
AS011 replied: jock_juffalo replied: You wont need sata 3 anything for that drive. The sata 3 thing is just a marketing gimmick and will give you 0 speed boost.
It's not even going to come anywhere close to sata 2 speeds so any extra bandwidth offered by sata 3 is not used.
So SATA 2 and SATA 3 is the same speed?
sata 3 has double the capacity of sata 2 but the hard drive mentioned does not even come close to filling the capacity of sata 2 so does not need any extra.
AS011 replied: jock_juffalo replied: You wont need sata 3 anything for that drive. The sata 3 thing is just a marketing gimmick and will give you 0 speed boost.
It's not even going to come anywhere close to sata 2 speeds so any extra bandwidth offered by sata 3 is not used.
So SATA 2 and SATA 3 is the same speed?
If you have only have a SATA II connection then you wouldn’t notice any difference.
If you have a SATA 3 connection, with a decent controller that can handle the extra bandwidth then SATA 3 is better.
It all depends on what hardware/controllers you have – pointless buying SATA 3 if you have SATA II controller.
gilly replied: AS011 replied: jock_juffalo replied: You wont need sata 3 anything for that drive. The sata 3 thing is just a marketing gimmick and will give you 0 speed boost.
It's not even going to come anywhere close to sata 2 speeds so any extra bandwidth offered by sata 3 is not used.
So SATA 2 and SATA 3 is the same speed?
If you have only have a SATA II connection then you wouldn't notice any difference.
If you have a SATA 3 connection, with a decent controller that can handle the extra bandwidth then SATA 3 is better.
It all depends on what hardware/controllers you have - pointless buying SATA 3 if you have SATA II controller.
My motherboard is A7VMX-K
gilly replied: AS011 replied: jock_juffalo replied: You wont need sata 3 anything for that drive. The sata 3 thing is just a marketing gimmick and will give you 0 speed boost.
It's not even going to come anywhere close to sata 2 speeds so any extra bandwidth offered by sata 3 is not used.
So SATA 2 and SATA 3 is the same speed?
If you have only have a SATA II connection then you wouldn't notice any difference.
If you have a SATA 3 connection, with a decent controller that can handle the extra bandwidth then SATA 3 is better.
It all depends on what hardware/controllers you have - pointless buying SATA 3 if you have SATA II controller.
Sata 3 is only ever better if the hard drive itself performs above sata 2 speed limits.
You will need a Newer SSD to take advantage of sata 3. there are no mechanical hard drives that take advantage of it.
jock_juffalo replied: gilly replied: AS011 replied: jock_juffalo replied: You wont need sata 3 anything for that drive. The sata 3 thing is just a marketing gimmick and will give you 0 speed boost.
It's not even going to come anywhere close to sata 2 speeds so any extra bandwidth offered by sata 3 is not used.
So SATA 2 and SATA 3 is the same speed?
If you have only have a SATA II connection then you wouldn't notice any difference.
If you have a SATA 3 connection, with a decent controller that can handle the extra bandwidth then SATA 3 is better.
It all depends on what hardware/controllers you have - pointless buying SATA 3 if you have SATA II controller.
Sata 3 is only ever better if the hard drive itself performs above sata 2 speed limits.
You will need a Newer SSD to take advantage of sata 3. there are no mechanical hard drives that take advantage of it.
What’s the best HDD for my motherboard A7VMX-K?
jock_juffalo replied: gilly replied: AS011 replied: jock_juffalo replied: You wont need sata 3 anything for that drive. The sata 3 thing is just a marketing gimmick and will give you 0 speed boost.
It's not even going to come anywhere close to sata 2 speeds so any extra bandwidth offered by sata 3 is not used.
So SATA 2 and SATA 3 is the same speed?
If you have only have a SATA II connection then you wouldn't notice any difference.
If you have a SATA 3 connection, with a decent controller that can handle the extra bandwidth then SATA 3 is better.
It all depends on what hardware/controllers you have - pointless buying SATA 3 if you have SATA II controller.
Sata 3 is only ever better if the hard drive itself performs above sata 2 speed limits.
You will need a Newer SSD to take advantage of sata 3. there are no mechanical hard drives that take advantage of it.
True for mechanical drives. Even most of the cheap SSD’s only perform at the upper limit of SATA II.
You can however get mechanical drives with a higher cache, say 64MB and a high platter density which makes an improvement.
AS011 replied: jock_juffalo replied: gilly replied: AS011 replied: jock_juffalo replied: You wont need sata 3 anything for that drive. The sata 3 thing is just a marketing gimmick and will give you 0 speed boost.
It's not even going to come anywhere close to sata 2 speeds so any extra bandwidth offered by sata 3 is not used.
So SATA 2 and SATA 3 is the same speed?
If you have only have a SATA II connection then you wouldn't notice any difference.
If you have a SATA 3 connection, with a decent controller that can handle the extra bandwidth then SATA 3 is better.
It all depends on what hardware/controllers you have - pointless buying SATA 3 if you have SATA II controller.
Sata 3 is only ever better if the hard drive itself performs above sata 2 speed limits.
You will need a Newer SSD to take advantage of sata 3. there are no mechanical hard drives that take advantage of it.
What's the best HDD for my motherboard A7VMX-K?
Normal hard drive? a 1tb samsung spinpoint F3 would be a good bet.
If buying a SSD then i would advice a crucial M4 64gb
jock_juffalo replied: AS011 replied: jock_juffalo replied: gilly replied: AS011 replied: jock_juffalo replied: You wont need sata 3 anything for that drive. The sata 3 thing is just a marketing gimmick and will give you 0 speed boost.
It's not even going to come anywhere close to sata 2 speeds so any extra bandwidth offered by sata 3 is not used.
So SATA 2 and SATA 3 is the same speed?
If you have only have a SATA II connection then you wouldn't notice any difference.
If you have a SATA 3 connection, with a decent controller that can handle the extra bandwidth then SATA 3 is better.
It all depends on what hardware/controllers you have - pointless buying SATA 3 if you have SATA II controller.
Sata 3 is only ever better if the hard drive itself performs above sata 2 speed limits.
You will need a Newer SSD to take advantage of sata 3. there are no mechanical hard drives that take advantage of it.
What's the best HDD for my motherboard A7VMX-K?
Normal hard drive? a 1tb samsung spinpoint F3 would be a good bet.
If buying a SSD then i would advice a crucial M4 64gb
What’s the maximum speed and cache and RPM for a normal HDD 2TB?
Just look at the specs against whatever else you are looking at.
It is significantly faster than the 2tb drives you will find available at the moment.
Check if its either sata II or sata III and then check on your motherboard
Ker91 replied: Check if its either sata II or sata III and then check on your motherboard
My motherboard is A7VMX-K only support SATA 2 I believe, but what’s the fast maximum speed and cache and RPM for a normal 2TB HDD?
AS011 replied: Ker91 replied: Check if its either sata II or sata III and then check on your motherboard
My motherboard is A7VMX-K only support SATA 2 I believe, but what's the fast maximum speed and cache and RPM for a normal 2TB HDD?
Can someone help me with this question?
AS011 replied: AS011 replied: Ker91 replied: Check if its either sata II or sata III and then check on your motherboard
My motherboard is A7VMX-K only support SATA 2 I believe, but what's the fast maximum speed and cache and RPM for a normal 2TB HDD?
Can someone help me with this question?
You are asking for fast max speed and cache for a normal 2TBB HDD ? (kind of an oxymoron).
If it’s high performance, and high price, then go for a WD Caviar Black
eg
http://www.dabs.com/products/western-digital-caviar-black-2tb-7200rpm-sata-6gb-s-64mb-7DJ2.html?refs=42730000-450300000-52770000
AS011 replied: AS011 replied: Ker91 replied: Check if its either sata II or sata III and then check on your motherboard
My motherboard is A7VMX-K only support SATA 2 I believe, but what's the fast maximum speed and cache and RPM for a normal 2TB HDD?
Can someone help me with this question?
Depends on the HDD.
Generally the caches vary from 32-64 MB and RPM varies 5400-7200
There are also some models beyond that, but these are the general specs on MOST drives.
AS011 replied: My motherboard is A7VMX-K only support SATA 2 I believe
That’s good enough,SATA2 has a max speed of 375 MB/s,This however can only be maxed
by an SSD,Mechanical HDDs barely go above 100 MB/s in average,And for the record,SATA3 HDDs are backwards
compatible and can work just fine with SATA2 ports.
AS011 replied: but what's the fast maximum speed and cache and RPM for a normal 2TB HDD?
There isn’t much of a difference in access time/speed with mechanical HDDs^ (of the same RPM at least)
Some have slightly lower access time & are a little faster but it’s usually not that significant,A cache size
bigger than 8MB makes no difference in performance,It’s just a gimmick used by HDD manufacturers as
a selling point. Green 2TB drives run at 5400/5900 RPM while standard ones run at 7200,Green ones
are also much cooler (up to 15C in compare to standard ones),Generally speaking,Most Green HDDs
are slower/have higher access time in compare to standard ones and are not recommended as an OS drive,But there are
exceptions of course,The Samsung HD204UI while being a Green drive is just as fast as a 7200RPM one.
Roberto400 replied: AS011 replied: My motherboard is A7VMX-K only support SATA 2 I believe
That's good enough,SATA2 has a max speed of 375 MB/s,This however can only be maxed
by an SSD,Mechanical HDDs barely go above 100 MB/s in average,And for the record,SATA3 HDDs are backwards
compatible and can work just fine with SATA2 ports.
AS011 replied: but what's the fast maximum speed and cache and RPM for a normal 2TB HDD?
There isn't much of a difference in access time/speed with mechanical HDDs^ (of the same RPM at least)
Some have slightly lower access time & are a little faster but it's usually not that significant,A cache size
bigger than 8MB makes no difference in performance,It's just a gimmick used by HDD manufacturers as
a selling point. Green 2TB drives run at 5400/5900 RPM while standard ones run at 7200,Green ones
are also much cooler (up to 15C in compare to standard ones),Generally speaking,Most Green HDDs
are slower/have higher access time in compare to standard ones and are not recommended as an OS drive,But there are
exceptions of course,The Samsung HD204UI while being a Green drive is just as fast as a 7200RPM one.
Thanks for the information, so SATA 3 HDD can be used in SATA 2 port?
AS011 replied: Thanks for the information, so SATA 3 HDD can be used in SATA 2 port?
Yes, backwards compatible.
SmAsHeDr replied: AS011 replied: Thanks for the information, so SATA 3 HDD can be used in SATA 2 port?
Yes, backwards compatible.
So I could get a 7200RPM 2TB SATA 3 HDD and it will work faster than SATA 2 7200RPM HDD?
AS011 replied: SmAsHeDr replied: AS011 replied: Thanks for the information, so SATA 3 HDD can be used in SATA 2 port?
Yes, backwards compatible.
So I could get a 7200RPM 2TB SATA 3 HDD and it will work faster than SATA 2 7200RPM HDD?
Have you not been reading?
As you have been told many times in this thread already. NO sata 3 will not make the hard drive faster.
Maybe you find it hard to understand so it’s a bit like this.
If you drive a car that can do a top speed of 30mph on a road where the speed limit is 40 miles per hour. (your car can only go upto 30 so you wont reach that right?)
then you drive the same 30mph car onto a road with a 50 mph speed limit. does that make your car faster?
jock_juffalo replied: AS011 replied: SmAsHeDr replied: AS011 replied: Thanks for the information, so SATA 3 HDD can be used in SATA 2 port?
Yes, backwards compatible.
So I could get a 7200RPM 2TB SATA 3 HDD and it will work faster than SATA 2 7200RPM HDD?
Have you not been reading?
As you have been told many times in this thread already. NO sata 3 will not make the hard drive faster.
Maybe you find it hard to understand so it's a bit like this.
If you drive a car that can do a top speed of 30mph on a road where the speed limit is 40 miles per hour. (your car can only go upto 30 so you wont reach that right?)
then you drive the same 30mph car onto a road with a 50 mph speed limit. does that make your car faster?
What’s the advantage of SATA 3 that SATA 2 don’t have?
If you have a ssd that can go faster than the speed limit of sata 2 then sata 3 has a higher speed limit.,
speed limit on sata 2 is 280~ but the hard drives that spin (mechanical drives) the ones that you want to buy have a top speed of around 80-90.
Sata 3 had a speed limit of 560~ so if you have a drive with a top speed of 500 and put it on sata 2 it will be slower down to 280.
If it’s on sata 3 it can do its top speed.
these numbers are not ment to be accurate but you should get the idea.
Hard drives with a top speed 80-90 wont be any faster just because the cable can take 560.