Help with this build
November 24th, 2013
Going for :
Intel Core i7-2600K (expecting to get 4.5-5.2 ghz)
EVGA SuperClocked GeForce GTX 570 HD w/Display-Port (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 (have a full hd monitor)
ASUS Maximus IV Extreme-Z LGA 1155 Intel Z68
G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
Will be getting also a watercooler, a nice 850W PSU . and a SSD for system.
Also for storage gonna have to raid 2x1TB HDD
But im a bit worried about the overclocking. Not too sure if a RAM with 1600 MHz is appropriate for the kind of performance im looking to get from this CPU
Why am i building this computer ?
2 answers, Gaming and Work.
For gaming i know that this build is awesome stuff and not worried that I might not able to play some game at all high video settings.
My work consists at editing videos and movies. My actual computer is a P4 and frankly is tired of waiting and definitely need to upgrade.
So please reply to this post with advice and if you do have any thoughts speak your mind.
Please let someone experienced reply
Thank you
All looks fine and the ram is all good.
Overclocking these chips is simple compared to overclocking of the past.
It’s all done witht he multiplier.
The base clock is 100 so if you put the multi to 45 then you have 4500 or 4.5ghz.
You just need to sort out your voltages and memory speed. but you should be fine. there are a ton of simple guides to follow. just use google.
Very nice build! How much is this all going to cost?
Board cpu gpu and ram will buy in the states since i have a person coming
the heavy stuff will buy at my country knowing that price is converted from $ to euro here
but im sure its going around 1600-1700 $ max
That’s sounds like a great idea. Until something isn’t right and you need to RMA to the USA then you could regret that decision.
That’s the reasons i am posting this on many forums. so i dont make mistakes in purchasing the wrong items.
stuff will be RMA up to 30 days….more than enough time for item to return.
The rest is all luck…i hope not to get any malfunctioning item :/
The point is not that you can’t RMA it’s that if you do need to you are likely come into conflict with the seller about postage costs and to be without parts for months really inconvenient for you.
Also there is a good chance you will get taxed on the goods when taking them out of the states. That will push the cost up to possibly even more than what you pay in your own country.
You are better off buying from a place in your own country that offer good customer service. (What is the country exactly?)
Im from Albania. and the most advanced stuff i saw here was a p8p67 around 370 euros.
Prices here are really high. People who sell are driven by stupidity
i also saw an Intel core i5 2500k for 320 euros at random shop
Trust me … iv done calculation and it really cheaper if i buy abroad
Grant.Geri replied:
Also for storage gonna have to raid 2x1TB HDD
The rest looks fine.
Unsure why this option though ?
You can only do RAID 0 or RAID 1 with 2 drives, you don’t wan’t RAID 0 as it’s very fault intolerant, and if one drive fails, you lose all the data. RAID 1 would create a mirror image of 1TB drive only.
You would be much better off without RAID.
thank you for feedback
Don’t get EVGA 570s. They are absolute crap. Why? Because I own two.
pls tell me more ? where is the problem?
They have a different cooler/fan and it’s noisy.
They are also on a smaller PCB if i recall correctly.
If you plan on water cooling then this is bad.
But you can grab a Asus Direct CU GTX 570 or a MSI twin frozer II GTX 570 for the same money and they have nice custom coolers.
THough don’t grab the Asus if you plan on SLI in future as the heat sink is going to take up 3 slots.
jock_juffalo replied: The point is not that you can't RMA it's that if you do need to you are likely come into conflict with the seller about postage costs and to be without parts for months really inconvenient for you.
Also there is a good chance you will get taxed on the goods when taking them out of the states. That will push the cost up to possibly even more than what you pay in your own country.
You are better off buying from a place in your own country that offer good customer service. (What is the country exactly?)
Grant.Geri replied: Im from Albania. and the most advanced stuff i saw here was a p8p67 around 370 euros.
Prices here are really high. People who sell are driven by stupidity
i also saw an Intel core i5 2500k for 320 euros at random shop
Trust me ... iv done calculation and it really cheaper if i buy abroad
Have you tried the UK, it’s nearer than the USA.
eg.
http://overclockers.co.uk
Not to sure if they deliver to Albania, but they do the rest of Europe, you can always ask them.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/webnote.php
I wouldn’t buy so much as a USB drive from overlockers.
Shoddy business practices and terrible customer service.
Plus they are more expensive than the competition.
ebuyer/scan/ccl/aria/dabs are all far better.
They have a different cooler/fan and it's noisy.No. EVGA uses a reference PCB design/layout. That actually ENABLES you to watercool it with the many blocks available. However, the reference Nvidia GTX 570 design is absolute trash. They cheaped out on the VRMs and power phases. Now I’m sitting with 2 GTX 570s under water that can’t do a 100MHz overclock. It’s not cool man.
They are also on a smaller PCB if i recall correctly.
If you plan on water cooling then this is bad.
-paroxysM^ replied: No. EVGA uses a reference PCB design/layout. That actually ENABLES you to watercool it with the many blocks available. However, the reference Nvidia GTX 570 design is absolute trash. They cheaped out on the VRMs and power phases. Now I'm sitting with 2 GTX 570s under water that can't do a 100MHz overclock. It's not cool man.
Damn that is just one of those unpredictable things.
Sitting on expensive equipment and not being able to overclock.
I guess the watercooling setup makes a good show.
Well at least watercooling in theory should reduce a bit of noise.
-paroxysM^ replied: They have a different cooler/fan and it's noisy.No. EVGA uses a reference PCB design/layout. That actually ENABLES you to watercool it with the many blocks available. However, the reference Nvidia GTX 570 design is absolute trash. They cheaped out on the VRMs and power phases. Now I'm sitting with 2 GTX 570s under water that can't do a 100MHz overclock. It's not cool man.
They are also on a smaller PCB if i recall correctly.
If you plan on water cooling then this is bad.
Ok, the ones on sale now have the fan in the middle as opposed to the reference cards vapor cooler with fan at the end.
Is this the same card you use?
Don’t you game @ 1080p? just seems overclocking would be a bit wasted at this res unless you are trying to keep close too 120fps to go with that screen.
Ok, the ones on sale now have the fan in the middle as opposed to the reference cards vapor cooler with fan at the end.
Is this the same card you use?
I have reference cards. I couldn’t use my waterblocks otherwise. It doesn’t matter though all 570s produced by EVGA are trash. If you want a GTX 570 go with MSI or Gainward or something. Sure watercooling options would be limited to none but I’d take something that gives me more performance per dollar.
Don't you game @ 1080p? just seems overclocking would be a bit wasted at this res unless you are trying to keep close too 120fps to go with that screen.Do I need SLI? Do I need an i7? Do I need expensive <insert name here>? It’s not a matter of ‘need’ but a matter of ‘want’ or ‘don’t want’.
well sli is fair enough and the i7 as you see the difference. I run a i7 and a 570 too. thinking about sli in the new year perhaps.
was just wondering if you were aiming at 120 fps and your thoughts on visable improvement over sustained 60fps. its relevent too my interest is all. no critascism.
sorry for off topic.
I’m keen for 120 Hz ips.
was just wondering if you were aiming at 120 fps and your thoughts on visable improvement over sustained 60fps. its relevent too my interest is all. no critascism. Enabling V-Sync = creates horrendous input lag. Try playing a game like Dead Space with and without V-Sync. Without it you’ll get insane tearing and with it it’s like the mouse feels like dead weight. 120Hz monitors almost completely negate the tearing so you can enjoy any game without V-Sync or even if you turn it on it’ll cap it to 120Hz and you’ll be fine since the input lag is almost neutralized. I also used to play competitive Counter-Strike Source until a a year and half ago and it’s smooth and consistent with no blur/ghosting of any kind compared to a normal LCD. It’s like playing a game on an old (good) CRT. If you just watch movies or play games casually and don’t give a damn about the small things that I nitpick about then you’d be better off with an IPS screen that gives you better IQ.
I'm keen for 120 Hz ips.I haven’t seen any true 120Hz IPS screens yet. All the stuff so far is interpolated. Interpolated is worse than 60Hz screens. They effectively double the input lag.
interest in 120hz or more ips for negating screen tearing without v sync and 3d gaming. there isn’t really better performance in ghosting over u2410 with current 120hz.
its frustrating as I can’t get a screen that does all the things i want without grabbing a crt. and no way will I go back to a massive bulk screen lol.
there isn't really better performance in ghosting over u2410 with current 120hz.
No. There’s a lot of difference but it may not be apparent to an untrained eye. I myself am very sensitive to frames per second. I can EASILY tell the difference between 60, 120 or 200.
You wont see any difference in ghosting with 120hz over a fast IPS like the U2410 probably will over low end IPS though.
Not sure what screen you have but i’ll use a BenQ @ 120hz as example.
As you can see the IPS is clearly fast enough.
The 120hz screen will have less input lag on average though.
edit:
What you are saying you see a difference in is nothing to do with ghosting though, and that’s what i was interested in.
Reading so many mixed opinions now so i guess i’ll just need to wait and see for myself whenever 120hz or more ips screens are available and affordable to me.
Thanks for your opinions.
What you are saying you see a difference in is nothing to do with ghosting though, and that's what i was interested in. Ok I worded it wrong. The two sentences had nothing to do with each other. The LCD blur is still there on any 60Hz display and you’re kidding yourself if you don’t believe it.
I don’t notice any blurring that’s not ment to be there personally on the U2410 and that’s the truth, if i did i would be complaining about it. i don’t even notice the input lag difference. (being that it’s only a few ms i doubt anybody actually could) though in theory it could be the difference of just hitting a head shot on a moving target or just missing but still undetectable to a human.
What’s important to me, and is instantly and constantly visible to anybody is my games look much better with the U2410.
Switch over to even the most top end TN panel and it looks all washed out no matter how good the panel is.
Each to there own though but i can never go back to TN.
I’m not preaching TN panels here I’m just saying that while you (and many others) keep saying the difference is undetectable. It’s completely detectable. Another example: most people don’t even feel the negative acceleration of hitting the malfunction speed on mice on cloth pads but I do nor the constant 5% positive acceleration of laser mice BUT I DO. That’s all there is to it and no matter what you say cannot change that. Fyi I have an IPS panel at work and I’m new to those.
i don't even notice the input lag difference. Exactly. You’re an average gamer. I already made that clear in a previous post. Not everyone will need to nitpick as much as I do.
You dont need 8gb of ram. 6 is more than enough. I got on my pc 8gb and i never got over 2,9 gb ram used.
NO mather what i run. And man—if you got that kind of cash go for 16gb of ram@2000Mghz.
Don’t wana turn it into a what’s better tech argument.
I don’t have a 120hz screen to hand to see how it looks side by side. Though i want to check this, and i’m genuinely really interested.
It’s hard to understand for me without actually seeing the screens next to each other how you could perceive the difference.
I’m more interested in the 3d benefits of 120hz, that’s the thing that makes me want it, but without sacrificing too much quality.
I mean human eyes are so slow that even wiggling a finger slowly in front of your face you will see some level of trails.
If you are seeing clear differences in 100s of a second then surely you would not see this?
It puzzles me, and there are some people saying there is clear obvious difference and others saying it’s completely undetectable.
I need to see for myself to see if i personally do see it.
EDIT: just read a fairly informative article on the human eye and light detection. i can see now how the extra frames could be perceived within a constant stream of light.
I’m away thinking too much on the flashing and fps side of things.
now wait guys….. i though we were talking about gpu O.o
and iv decided for the twin frozer
Sorry i hijacked your thread lol
Good choice in GPU.
and iv decided for the twin frozerNot a bad choice.